1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 No! 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 No! 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 No! 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 No! 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 No! 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 No! 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 No! 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 My son was my whole world. 9 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,000 And one day, I'm gonna find him. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Everything had been thrown out, 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 and the entire place was cleaned. 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 They were just gone. There's nothing left. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Oh, my God. 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,000 He took the kids. 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Every day our hope was that he's coming back. 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 But there was nothing. 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 He disappeared without a trace. 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Everything was turned upside down, 19 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 and everything that I believed to be true is not true. 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 There is no playbook for kidnapping. 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000 but I believe he's gonna die. 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:44,440 Who will throw this đ visiting urc 23 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 When I dream about my kids, 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 sometimes they're in trouble, 25 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:04,140 to get to them. And sometimes we're just spending time doing the things that we 26 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:19,780 like to do together. For that moment, they're alive and they're with me. So I 27 00:02:19,780 --> 00:02:24,880 love dreaming about my kids because they're actually there. 28 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:44,680 I met Ahmed Kindeel when I was 28 and he was 30. I was planning to go to medical 29 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,920 school and he was pursuing an MBA in order to spend more time in finance. 30 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,640 When we initially started dating, all of our dates were sports, whether it was 31 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:57,760 playing soccer, going to a volleyball group, racket ball. Gosh, we used to go 32 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,760 dancing a lot every Friday. It was either East Coast, Swing, West Coast, Swing. We did 33 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,480 all sorts of great dance routines and it was really fun. 34 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Ahmed grew up in Cairo. He's Muslim. I grew up in Berlin and my background was 35 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,800 Christian. But what I felt really brought us together is that we both came from a 36 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:25,320 very middle-class upbringing and so we had some of the same values even if we 37 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:31,240 came from different religious backgrounds. Ahmed and I knew each other a 38 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,240 couple of years before we got married. And then nine months later, my daughter, 39 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Aminam, was born September 1st, 2003. It was just about three weeks after I 40 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:47,160 started medical school. And then right between a second and third year, my son 41 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Belel was born in January 4th, 2006. Aminam is such a warm person. She's a little bit 42 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,400 more shy than her brother, but she has this core of inner strength that comes 43 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:06,640 through every once in a while. Belel is more outward and fun-oriented in a lot of 44 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,720 ways and he engaged everyone. 45 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:16,320 Rebecca and I met the first day of residency in Boston and subsequently 46 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:23,560 followed each other to Virginia for a job. And when Rebecca and Ahmed first moved 47 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:33,040 to Virginia, every Wednesday was dinner night. We had sleepover nights for the 48 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:43,920 kids, game nights. And Ahmed was always very welcoming. He took good care of the 49 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:53,200 kids. He was a good dad. But he at that point was actually not working. He had a 50 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:58,040 job in Boston and then in the financial crisis had lost his employment there. 51 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,560 And after 2008, finance was just not a very good area to be working in. From that 52 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:13,800 point, Ahmed did not ever show interest in getting a job. He smiled less and he 53 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:21,720 was less positive and not open at all to any dialogue or discussion. He regarded 54 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,520 me solely focused towards the children and within my function as a mother, more 55 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:33,000 so than as a woman or a professional. So he really was not the same person that he 56 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:40,320 was when I met him. Ahmed would have just stayed together the way that we were, 57 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:46,640 but I was the one who is not happy. So Ahmed and I separated in June of 2013. 58 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,560 After we separated, I would get the kids for two weekdays and Ahmed would have them 59 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,960 the other weekdays and then we would basically split the weekends. But Ahmed 60 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,760 tried to make it very difficult for Rebecca to see Amina in Belal because 61 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Rebecca was the working parent. He was also moving in a much more conservative 62 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:19,200 religious direction and Amina and Belal were attending the school at the mosque 63 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:25,080 on Saturdays. So it became abundantly clear that Ahmed was on one trajectory and 64 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,960 how he wanted the kids to be raised and I felt I was pretty squarely on a very 65 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,120 different trajectory. 66 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:44,800 It was a Thursday before Labor Day. The children were going to go with Ahmed to 67 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:51,400 Toronto to look at a college for their cousin. He said that he was going to be 68 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:57,080 returning on September 1st that Monday, which is Amina's birthday. She was 69 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,720 turning 11 years old. So he expected to be back in the country at that point. 70 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,120 When Ahmed came to pick up the children, we were sitting on the couch watching 71 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:13,680 something on the iPad. Belal immediately ran over to the front door and had to 72 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:21,280 show it to his father. Then immediately ran out to the car and I told Amina that 73 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:28,240 it was time to go. And right at the door, she gave me a hug, gave me two kisses. 74 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,160 I told her that she should have a good weekend in Toronto with her cousins and 75 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,160 that I was looking forward to wishing her a happy birthday. Not too much longer 76 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,160 after that. 77 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,160 I watched them driving off. 78 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,560 That was the last time I saw my kids. 79 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:10,920 On Friday, the day after the kids got picked up in the evening, I texted Ahmed 80 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,320 and told him that I want to call Amina on her birthday. He confirmed that he was 81 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,840 going to be back on the 1st. I didn't have any contact with them on Saturday and 82 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Sunday, but on Monday, I tried to call him multiple times on his cell phone and 83 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,040 he wouldn't pick up and at that point, September 1st, he really should have been 84 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:40,200 back. It was infuriating not to be able to reach my children. I called multiple 85 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,040 times from the hospital and couldn't get a response. It was a little 86 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,280 disconcerting, although it wasn't unusual for him. Just a passive aggressive move, 87 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:59,160 not to let me talk to my daughter on her birthday. So that night, I texted Ahmed to 88 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,160 please tell Amina happy birthday. 89 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:11,760 That Tuesday, September 2nd, Amina was going to go to middle school for the 90 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:18,280 first time and Belal was going back to elementary school. So my sense was that 91 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:26,160 if the kids were in school, then everything was fine. But I called both 92 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,240 schools in the morning. They told me that they weren't there and they hadn't 93 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:38,080 shown up that day. At that point, I got really concerned and panicked and angry 94 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,480 and just hurt and really concerned about the kids. 95 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:51,600 The problem was that I was at my remote clinic where I'm the only anesthesiologist 96 00:09:51,600 --> 00:10:00,080 around and there were still patients to be seen and I can't leave. I contacted the 97 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,360 police that day and I called every hospital in Toronto just to see if maybe 98 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,200 they had possibly gotten into an accident. And then I called Ahmed's father in 99 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:16,840 Egypt and I asked him where Ahmed was and what had happened. He didn't know what 100 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,640 I was talking about and he wasn't concerned, which concerned me. And that to me 101 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:30,040 was a real warning sign that he must have known something. So I called Daphne and I 102 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,040 asked if she could please check Ahmed's house for me. 103 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:50,320 When I went to the house, there were no cars and nobody was home and the windows 104 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,720 were blocked. So I went to the back of the house. There was a curtain that was 105 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:06,240 pulled aside and I looked through a glass door and I knew that something bad had happened. 106 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:16,960 I called Rebecca and I told her the house is empty, completely empty. She told me that 107 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,360 everything was gone. There's nothing left. 108 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:37,440 The bottom just fell out and I was in a free fall. There's just no other way to describe it. 109 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,640 I mean everything is torn away from you and everything was turned upside down. I don't know what's going on. 110 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:52,800 But moments later they said that we needed intubator patients so I remember going right back to work. 111 00:11:52,800 --> 00:12:00,080 I was just in tears. I couldn't stop crying and the surgeon and the entire team looked up and said, 112 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:07,840 are you okay? And I said, really not. I don't know where my kids are. I was just like simultaneously 113 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:15,200 panicked and just sliced open. 114 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:33,680 On that Friday, the James City County Police Department explained that the flight records 115 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:39,280 had been found and it was clear that Ahmed and the kids did not in fact travel to Canada. 116 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:50,000 They actually flew from JFK through Kyiv and from Kyiv then to Istanbul and in Turkey. 117 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:58,640 That was really shocking and that frightened me in ways I can't even describe to you. 118 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:10,480 The FBI became involved with the case in September 2014 and immediately after the FBI was tipped off 119 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:17,600 that Amina and Belal had been taken by their father, a federal arrest warrant was issued for Ahmed 120 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,760 by the Eastern District of Virginia for two counts of international parental kidnapping. 121 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,040 One for Belal and one for Amina. 122 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,880 And one of the first steps to the initial part of the investigation was to do a thorough review of 123 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,320 his financials looking for anything that would lead to Ahmed and the children. 124 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:46,000 When I looked through bank records and credit card records from the FBI, it was shocking to me. 125 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:52,080 Ahmed had gone to a survivalist camp that was up in the mountains. 126 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:58,240 He went to a shooting club to learn how to shoot guns multiple times. 127 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:00,800 He was never a gun fanatic. 128 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Survival training would be helpful to anyone if they were crossing through borders, 129 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,200 doing some things on foot, spending a couple days outside. 130 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:15,200 He also bought different types of camping equipment such as sleeping bags, boots for the children, 131 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,600 and he sent them overseas. 132 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,760 So there's our little things that showed that Ahmed didn't just take his children on a whim. 133 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,000 He had a well-oiled plan before he left the country. 134 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,400 But now I needed to find my children. 135 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:43,600 I checked Amina's email account multiple times and the tablet that the children had 136 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,760 was used to check Amina's email address in December of 2014. 137 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:56,640 When I looked at the IP address of where that tablet was, it was in the Hattay province, 138 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,880 close to the city of Reyhanli, which is in that little southern tip of Turkey that's right on 139 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160 the border to Syria. That was close to a war zone. 140 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:12,240 That frightened me. That really, really frightened me because I thought, what does that mean? 141 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,760 I'm enjoying something that he was not supposed to join and pull my children into. 142 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,880 That maybe he was in a really unsafe place with my kids right now and I don't know where they are. 143 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,560 I can't keep them safe anymore. 144 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,320 We don't know where he was going and whether Ahmed has changed his name, 145 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:38,800 his children's name, created new identities. These are all possibilities and potentially that's a 146 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,400 reason they can't be tracked. I was actively involved in just trying to find any way to 147 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:52,400 reach my children. I've hired three different private investigators and I've contacted congressmen 148 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:58,880 and senators. I set up a webpage that allowed me to say, I am looking for my children. 149 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:04,800 If you know anything, please get in touch. But nothing seemed to be substantive. 150 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:15,600 Until September of 2015, about a year since Ahmed had abducted the kids, I received an email 151 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:23,680 that was simply called, kids are okay. And it was from Ahmed. Just wanted to let you know that they 152 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:30,160 are well and doing great. We live on a small farm and they are loving it. They got all kinds of 153 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:36,480 animals and it's keeping them busy. I understand you must be angry at me, but you left me no other 154 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:43,120 choice. I knew long before you asked for a divorce that it is coming and it wasn't going to wait 155 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:49,040 till you find a job somewhere and take full custody of them. So once they're old enough and can 156 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,120 distinguish right from wrong, they will contact you. And at the right age, they can decide where they 157 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:07,680 want to live. It was an infuriating email. On the one hand, it was a relief to hear that my kids were 158 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:14,480 alive. It was also clear to me that the kids were being heavily influenced to adopt whatever 159 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:21,760 approach to life Ahmed felt was appropriate. And he was going to influence them to the point that they 160 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:28,240 probably would never want to contact me. What was found out about the email was that the recovery 161 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:35,520 email address was one of Ahmed's known email addresses. It was clearly from him. And it originated 162 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:41,680 in that same area in Turkey where Amina's email address had previously been checked. That same 163 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:50,720 small part that's close to Syria. I got the contact of a Turkish detective who went down to Southern 164 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Turkey that's close to the Syrian border looking for the kids there looking for the IP address of 165 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:02,640 this particular email. He found an internet cafe that this might have been attributable to, but he 166 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,440 really did not find out any information over and above what the State Department, the police and the 167 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:15,680 FBI were able to recover. So there had been absolutely nothing for quite a while. That was a 168 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:24,480 really hard period of time. And then I found out that Ahmed applied for an Egyptian ID card in 169 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:34,880 2016 and he registered his ID at his parents address in Giza. If that is true and along with Ahmed's 170 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,680 email in 2015 saying they're on a farm surrounded by animals tied with Rebecca's understanding of 171 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:48,480 that Ahmed's father also owned a farm located midway between Cairo and Alexandria is probably the best 172 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,360 clue that we have that they are possibly in Egypt. So I hired an investigator trying to work together 173 00:18:55,360 --> 00:19:00,640 with people in Egypt to see if there was any trace of the kids or if they were seen anywhere 174 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:06,800 around Ahmed's parents, but they didn't come up with anything. I really wanted to go to Egypt, 175 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:14,960 but I've been intently warned against going there. I am not protected overseas. Anyone can come up 176 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:24,080 with any kind of charges. So it's from what I hear a very unwise idea. The fact that we believe Ahmed 177 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,840 is overseas makes things a lot more challenging because specifically in Egypt parental kidnapping 178 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,240 is not considered a crime. He's a biological parent of these children. They're his children just 179 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:41,760 like their Rebecca's children. The father can decide what he wants to do with those children. 180 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:50,160 I as a mother don't have any possibility of getting those children back or even forcing a 181 00:19:50,160 --> 00:20:01,600 communication with them. There's a really new recourse and that's so unfair. I don't know why 182 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,600 they haven't contacted Rebecca, but I'm wondering if he didn't stage some accident and told the kids 183 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:16,160 she's dead or just banned them from the internet because there's absolutely no way in the world 184 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:24,800 Amina and Belal would not have contacted mom. They adore their mom and their mom adored them. 185 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:42,400 January 4th, 2017. Belal, today's your birthday and though I'm sad that I'm not with you, 186 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:47,200 I hope you're surrounded by happiness, hope, fun and kindness. 187 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:57,840 The loss of not having my kids is so great it would be crippling to feel that emotional impact 188 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:07,920 every time I enter the house. So I write in a journal to them every day and that's what I really 189 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,680 allow myself to feel and to feel close to them again. 190 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:26,800 She writes to them every single day. She made it very personal. These are her children. She didn't 191 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,160 deserve to have them taken from her. So my heart breaks for Rebecca and the fact that she has gone 192 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,880 so long and that we haven't been able to provide the answers for her that she and her children deserve. 193 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,240 It's not their fault and they deserve to know that their mother cares about them. 194 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,640 I miss most of you Amina and Belal so much and 195 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:07,360 I hope that I have an opportunity to see the people that you've grown into. 196 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:17,360 The people that you are now and how lovely you must be and how curious about the world. 197 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:44,160 Aziz was born on November 13, 2010. 198 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:53,040 And that day changed my life. We were all there the day that he was born 199 00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:02,400 and Aziz was the greatest blessing to our family. He brought such joy to our house. 200 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,200 And Abdul really loved spending time with him. 201 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,200 Oh my god catch him catch him catch him. 202 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,400 Aziz's mother Rabia was born in Columbus Georgia. Her families originally from India and Pakistan. 203 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,960 We met in Alabama when we were in school and it was actually my mom introduced us. 204 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:36,720 Rabia was in undergrad. She's a very strong personality. She's somebody that makes it a 205 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,000 point to know what she wants and demand what she wants. And for someone who also has a strong 206 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,960 personality we were attracted to each other. Over the course of a few years we realized that we 207 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,600 wanted to get married. And when Aziz was first born we actually lived with my parents in New Orleans. 208 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,120 But you know Rabia had a hard time getting along with them and you know it was very clear that we 209 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,480 couldn't live in the house and so we moved out. 210 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:20,880 I'm a pulmonologist that works in an intensive care unit and Rabia initially worked at the same 211 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,800 hospital I did for a very short period of time and then she quit that job and then she worked at a 212 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:34,640 local cancer agency and then she left that job. She would always find a reason to change her job. 213 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:43,040 You know she didn't like somebody. She didn't like her boss. Her personality was very guarded 214 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,800 and you never got the feeling that you really knew who she was. 215 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:56,720 As Aziz grew older we started having lots of problems. You know fighting was almost daily. 216 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,120 There were arguments in front of Aziz so in April of 2014 we decided to separate. 217 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,160 She requested that she go back to Atlanta because that's where her family's support was. 218 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,680 I really agreed with her initially because I thought if she needs help with Aziz that it might 219 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,720 be a good idea and she made it seem like hey we're still working on this marriage let's try to make 220 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:28,400 this work. It was hard for me but we basically had an agreement where we did every other weekend 221 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,600 and so I just thought you know this is temporary. And then after several months 222 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:41,760 out of left field Nemptil was served with divorce papers and it was a shock. 223 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:51,360 It all changed. Rabia would put up hindrances and roadblocks trying to stop me from seeing Aziz. 224 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,280 She would schedule soccer games during my weekends and she would make up excuses about him being sick 225 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,000 so she would try to prevent him from seeing me. 226 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,920 It seems that during that whole period she was meeting with lawyers, she was finding out about 227 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:14,960 custody, she was figuring out what she needed to do in order to keep Aziz in Atlanta. 228 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,920 Ultimately Rabia wanted Aziz to have nothing to do with his life you know in New Orleans. 229 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:32,000 And then once she filed divorce papers Rabia blocked Abdul from seeing Aziz and he had to go to court 230 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:39,120 and had her served with papers to have them inform her that he had a right to see his child. 231 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,400 The divorce was finalized in 2015 232 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,360 but Rabia still kept Aziz from his dad. 233 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,360 And that's what led me to push hard for a custody evaluation. I wanted to have 234 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:06,640 the right to spend as much time with my son that was allowed and it was right about a year later 235 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,320 when the custody evaluators recommended that I get primary custody of Aziz because they felt like 236 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,760 Rabia was not allowing me to spend my due time and be a good dad for Aziz. 237 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:25,120 When Rabia found out that Abdul was going to be awarded a full primary custody of Aziz 238 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:31,440 she went to the courts and made these horrific baseless abuse allegations against Abdul. 239 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:40,480 She went into the criminal court system making accusations that me and my family were abusive 240 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,240 in order to delay the court evaluation from happening and it turned into this world 241 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:52,080 when where a lot of lawyers got involved and it became about a year and a half of investigation 242 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,880 but what made it so hard was that I wasn't allowed to see Aziz. That was really tough. 243 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:06,880 And then as all of the court staff progressed we became aware that Rabia had been in a relationship 244 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:13,360 with someone else. Elliot Bouchois was a friend of hers that she knew in college. 245 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,080 Towards the end of our marriage when we were having problems there were some phone calls 246 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,320 between them so at some point when our marriage was ending was when they were reconnecting. 247 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Elliot started coming to court with Rabia and that's how he found out that Elliot and Rabia 248 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:38,560 were actually married. He wasn't a lawyer but she fired three or four lawyers. Her and Elliot 249 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,520 became their own lawyers and they represented themselves when they came to court and with 250 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:49,200 time every judge that they went in front of started seeing their lies and manipulation. 251 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,720 And then finally after 18 months of thorough investigation the DA in Atlanta realized that 252 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,280 all the accusations were all false and I was going to get full custody for Aziz. 253 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,480 We were to meet on November 28, 2017 in the Atlanta courtroom and that's when all the 254 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,120 restrictions were going to be lifted. It was really going to happen so there was this joy. 255 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,760 We get to the Atlanta courtroom we're waiting for our case. The judge shows up and 256 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,480 Rabia is not there. 257 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:36,240 There was a momentary panic amongst our family but we just thought okay this is Rabia being 258 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,880 Rabia she's going to try to throw something else at us you know to try to prolong this. 259 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,120 We waited several hours thinking or hoping that there was a delay 260 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,400 but Rabia didn't show up. 261 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:05,840 I left the courthouse and I didn't have my son. 262 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,760 At this point I'm very worried I'm calling his school. His school says that they haven't seen him 263 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,560 for a week. He didn't come to school the week before Thanksgiving the last time they saw him 264 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,480 was the Friday before. I make phone calls to her family and we don't get any response. 265 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,080 And then finally we realized that she kidnapped him that's what was happening. 266 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,960 She kidnapped him and ran. 267 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Devastating. 268 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,200 Horrific. It was confusing you know it didn't seem real. 269 00:30:53,520 --> 00:31:05,520 And Abdul was terrified. It was as if removing his heart. He always said the nights were the toughest for him. 270 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,560 Look in the quiet that's when he has time with his thoughts you know. 271 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880 To think about his life with Aziz. 272 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,960 I remember the last time I saw Aziz. It was March of 2016. 273 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,640 It was just a normal weekend. 274 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520 He had a lot of fun we took a lot of pictures. 275 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,160 But I said hey Aziz it's time for you to leave. 276 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:53,040 And I put him in her car. And he used to always he'd put up his hands and he'd say 277 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680 Baba how many days before I see you again. 278 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,920 It was like five more days. 279 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:09,280 And they drove off and my thought was hey I'm going to see you in five days because it's my weekend. 280 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,240 I'm at spring break. That was you know four plus years ago. 281 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,000 We thought Robby was crazy. We thought that she was vindictive. 282 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,880 But we never thought that Robby was capable of this. 283 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,160 We hired private eye after private eye in Atlanta in New Orleans 284 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,640 and other places around the country to find any information about Aziz. 285 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,960 The first thing that everyone said was that I need to get national law enforcement 286 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760 involved to investigate Aziz's abduction. 287 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,040 But there has to be a felony warrant out for Rabia. 288 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:03,520 And initially there was some disagreement between police departments that the jurisdiction is in Atlanta or New Orleans. 289 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:13,520 Finally after two years the court gave a felony kidnapping warrant against Rabia for the abduction of Aziz. 290 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Once there was a felony kidnapping warrant against Rabia 291 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,120 the U.S. Marshals got involved in the case. 292 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240 The U.S. Marshals got involved in early 2020 293 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,880 and the U.S. Marshals involvement was about three years or so behind the actual disappearance. 294 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880 So we're basically starting off way behind already. 295 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880 We conducted multiple interviews in several states. 296 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,200 Add up to U.S. Marshals from the Northern District of Georgia went out to Duluth 297 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,560 and attempted to interview Rabia's mother and father. 298 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:56,560 They were being evasive during questioning and they appeared to not be concerned about where their daughter was, 299 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440 where their grandchild was or where Elliot was located. 300 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,000 They just referred everything to their attorney. 301 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:13,040 After talking to the U.S. Marshals I found out that this was something that Rabia and Elliot planned out. 302 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,360 I mean it was cold and calculated. 303 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,360 Rabia and Elliot had taken Aziz out of school 10 days prior to November 28th. 304 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,960 They sold their cars to CarMax in Atlanta. 305 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,960 Elliot had quit his job. 306 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:36,560 They both shut down their cell phones, closed their bank accounts, closed all their social media and they disappeared. 307 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,440 If they assumed new identities they could get new employment, 308 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,680 maybe establish lines of credit, create a whole new lifestyle. 309 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,840 It's obviously been done before or if somebody were to finance them they could also be living off cash. 310 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,720 Could be friends, could be family. 311 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,320 I don't know. 312 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,040 This is the day he was born. 313 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,260 God. 314 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:17,760 We've done everything that we can think of to find some trace of Aziz, Rabia, Elliot. 315 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520 His laugh was contagious. 316 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,280 Was everything contagious. 317 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,960 And outside of you know when they sold their cars in 2017, 318 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,080 we have yet to find any credible link to them in any way. 319 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,440 And that's what makes this so hard. 320 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,160 Four years later we still don't have any sign of them. 321 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,680 But if you think that we're going away, 322 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:56,800 if you think that Abdul or me or my family is ever going to stop looking for Aziz, 323 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,960 if you are sorely mistaken, because we will never, never rest. 324 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,400 Until he's returned. 325 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,400 When Aziz disappeared, time literally stopped. 326 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,560 So to me, he left yesterday. 327 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,960 And so I think about him every day and I do things every day to try to find him. 328 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 I'm going to keep fighting till I see him. 329 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,920 And one day he's going to walk through a door and I'm going to be standing on the other side. 330 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,960 It's time for him to come home. 331 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000 You 332 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960 You